@AnthonySmith said:
Anyone seen any invoices or payment confirmations from people who paid one of these deadpooled companies? that may provide some sort of clue?
I have a few paid invoices from my shameful moments of weakness, what details would help
Just the details of who you paid, like sometimes when you buy from a host e.g. iwstack, you get a payment confirmation from PayPal with the Italian company name not iwstack.
@AnthonySmith said:
Anyone seen any invoices or payment confirmations from people who paid one of these deadpooled companies? that may provide some sort of clue?
I have a few paid invoices from my shameful moments of weakness, what details would help
Just the details of who you paid, like sometimes when you buy from a host e.g. iwstack, you get a payment confirmation from PayPal with the Italian company name not iwstack.
All of the IP addresses I've checked in ARIN (i.e. those assigned to SnowVPS) have different (fake) names and addresses unfortunately. It's a semi-professional scam operation, it's just rinse and repeat really.
AnthonySmith said: Maybe it is me who needs the reality check, i thought I already had had one to be honest but maybe not.
Maybe it is others that don't realize (or don't care) that every page load you do over there adds to their stats, which in turn makes them a appear to be viable market place.
You're right and I have worded it no different on https://lowenddeadpool.info/. But frankly, there's people in this world you just can't help. If visitors of LEB/LET keep falling in the same trap over and over again, despite the many threads over at LET, HostBalls and LES; it's just one of those that can't be helped.
Solaire said: All of the IP addresses I've checked in ARIN (i.e. those assigned to SnowVPS) have different (fake) names and addresses unfortunately. It's a semi-professional scam operation, it's just rinse and repeat really.
However at some stage at some point in the chain, someone is allowing that to happen, that is the spot to apply pressure, even if it does nothing but increase diligence in the future.
There's probably more - just don't have time on my hands currently. As for retrieving payment details, since their WHCMS installs are still up - why not just add a domain to your cart and go through the process (without paying of course)? SnowVPS seems to be using FastSpring so maybe it'd help to get them involved too.
Solaire said: There's probably more - just don't have time on my hands currently. As for retrieving payment details, since their WHCMS installs are still up - why not just add a domain to your cart and go through the process (without paying of course)? SnowVPS seems to be using FastSpring so maybe it'd help to get them involved too.
I am more interested in the payment gateway confirmation rather than the invoice from a billing system they control, e.g. I just paid my softaculous license, from buycpanel and the paypal confirmation states:
Solaire said: There's probably more - just don't have time on my hands currently. As for retrieving payment details, since their WHCMS installs are still up - why not just add a domain to your cart and go through the process (without paying of course)? SnowVPS seems to be using FastSpring so maybe it'd help to get them involved too.
I am more interested in the payment gateway confirmation rather than the invoice from a billing system they control, e.g. I just paid my softaculous license, from buycpanel and the paypal confirmation states:
Gotcha. But they seem to be going through a gateway instead of directly through PayPal (that gateway being FastSpring). That's why I mentioned it might help to get them (the gateway) involved, i.e. they might be able to issue charge-backs to all affected customers and go after the scam artist(s), holding them accountable for their losses.
We handle all aspects of purchasing and delivery, including licensing and activation. We also take care of all aspects of buyer satisfaction and payment-based customer support.
We handle all aspects of purchasing and delivery, including licensing and activation. We also take care of all aspects of buyer satisfaction and payment-based customer support.
Yes but you need to know who you are paying ultimately i.e. the benefactor
If i use fast spring to process my payments, you never get any information as to who you are actually buying from during the transaction?
That does not seem legal.
I believe I may need to update the rules to exclude hosts using fastspring if that is the case.
That information should be on the invoice. The only legal EU restriction I'm aware of is that the name of the vendor has to show up on your bank statement. But no addresses or anything else has to be included in the payment information.
That said, I think Wishosting is / was using 2checkout and as a result doesn't show any information on the payment either.
It's through the PayPal payments that I discovered SkyNetHosting is BookServices and another name, which I don't recall. A payment processor that hides that information, should be banned, IMO.
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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@AnthonySmith said:
I just checked my payment I made to virtualizor via 2checkout.
It has full benefactor including softaculous parent company details on the payment confirmation.
So I am still finding it hard to believe that fastspring don't give any access to that info.
This is what I've seen with other payment processors also, and AFAIK it's precisely why PayPal doesn't allow "full integration" from a payment processor and all the payments need to go directly to the recipient's account.
Which means that either Fastspring got a deal not available to other payment processors, or they're breaking PayPal ToS themselves.
joepie91 said: Which means that either Fastspring got a deal not available to other payment processors, or they're breaking PayPal ToS themselves.
I have been reading up on them, if I had to guess I would say it is because they are taking full tax and payment liability where as 2checkout do not.
handy for small shops wanting to not have to get involved in international tax regulation but sell a few bits online, also handy for people that want to hide.
joepie91 said: Which means that either Fastspring got a deal not available to other payment processors, or they're breaking PayPal ToS themselves.
I have been reading up on them, if I had to guess I would say it is because they are taking full tax and payment liability where as 2checkout do not.
handy for small shops wanting to not have to get involved in international tax regulation but sell a few bits online, also handy for people that want to hide.
not good.
AFAIK PayPal doesn't allow this under those circumstances either. I looked into this a bit while trying to set up my payment processing (through Mollie, a Dutch payment processor), and even though Mollie takes on the ultimate liability for all other payment methods (including CC processing!), they couldn't tightly integrate PayPal because PayPal wouldn't let them. It was a bit of a pain to set up in the end.
Then I have to conclude that people just need to really scrutinize their emails and the payment process they went through, the information must be there.
How is risk management and compliance different with FastSpring?
As your merchant of record, FastSpring is responsible for processing credit card and debit transactions on your behalf. This includes compliance with PCI-DSS standards and other payment laws and regulations while also managing refund requests and chargebacks. When you partner with FastSpring, you’re protected so you can focus on the rest of your business.
the scammer seems to have been trying to cover his tracks, this guy is a professional, payment were not made directly to the company but to this payment processing proxy, seems to me like fraud across states, which would make it an FBI matter
seems ColonCrossing are the victims here, from all the companies in the world, this scammer decided to pick their company to run the operation, they were contacted by 84 people but they did not notice it was the same guy, its called the colon effect
@tgl said:
the scammer seems to have been trying to cover his tracks, this guy is a professional, payment were not made directly to the company but to this payment processing proxy, seems to me like fraud across states, which would make it an FBI matter
seems ColonCrossing are the victims here, from all the companies in the world, this scammer decided to pick their company to run the operation, they were contacted by 84 people but they did not notice it was the same guy, its called the colon effect
84 times is called near fatal diarrhoea. Or could lead to a permanent damage to colon.
umaxhosting seems to be the one that breaks the pattern, they also have a phone listed (657) 234-5234, domain was registered at namecheap not godaddy also it seems the paypal payments were direct to it, not through fastspring
Solaire said: Ah, sure, but that's only a name still. And it doesn't show up at your statement.
yes but that is what I was looking for because surely any payment gateway is going to have to reveal certain information about who you are paying, I mean for example Iran?
Perhaps someone in the USA can tell me the implications for a business if they suddenly found out they have been paying a company in Iran for professional business services?
Just an example but i cant imagine it is fully legal for a company to essentially provide a service to avoid trade sanctions.
I just submitted that FastSpring Question form for my payment to Stronghosting.net and they promptly emailed me that FastSpring bill mail and another email to say they received payment -- both seemingly from StrongHosting.
@pepa65 said:
I just submitted that FastSpring Question form for my payment to Stronghosting.net and they promptly emailed me that FastSpring bill mail and another email to say they received payment -- both seemingly from StrongHosting.
you should try to contact them providing the LET link and the zdnet article, mentioning you consider their system was used to scam people and that they should investigate
@isunbejo mind submitting that form to see what happens?
and then yes the same as like @pepa65 no solution from FastSpring
Refund Policy
When we get a refund request from a customer, we usually direct the request to your support contact so that you may handle it. The only time that we refund an order without consulting you is when a customer who has purchased with a credit card has contacted us about a fraudulent charge. In this case, the order is refunded to prevent a chargeback. Credit cards refunds can generally be done up to six months after an order, but PayPal has a 90 day refund limit. The refund fee is 3.5% of the order total.
Chargebacks
Chargebacks are different than refunds. A chargeback is the return of funds to a consumer, forcibly initiated by the consumer's issuing bank. The customer signs an affidavit with their credit card provider claiming they did not make the purchase. The only way a merchant can dispute this claim is to provide trackable shipping to the customer's address. Since most orders are only digital, we typically cannot provide this information, and the issuing bank decides in favor of the customer.
@isunbejo I would like them to the zdnet article, say you have been victim of a scam to take money for service with no intention of providing it which is fraud.
and to be honest, I would have filed a charge back by now anyway, even if it was £1
@AnthonySmith said: @isunbejo I would like them to the zdnet article, say you have been victim of a scam to take money for service with no intention of providing it which is fraud.
and to be honest, I would have filed a charge back by now anyway, even if it was £1
@Abdullah - apparently the "hosts" (actually or supposedly a single CC customer ... aka "former client" - lol!) are now done, but the services will remain online for another week or so as CC sees fit to extend some stay of execution. Make of that what you will ...
ColoCrossing learned over the weekend that a former client notified his customers that he was shutting down their service today, Monday, December 9. ColoCrossing had provided dedicated servers which were used to host this client’s content, and the content of this client’s customers. To help customers impacted by this former client, ColoCrossing is keeping the servers active for the next ten days so impacted sites can move their data to other providers. We will provide more information as it is available.
ColoCrossing learned over the weekend that a former client notified his customers that he was shutting down their service today, Monday, December 9. ColoCrossing had provided dedicated servers which were used to host this client’s content, and the content of this client’s customers. To help customers impacted by this former client, ColoCrossing is keeping the servers active for the next ten days so impacted sites can move their data to other providers. We will provide more information as it is available.
okay. just needed to verify as my sites are still online. Checked all this today..will move them. Thanks
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I mainly lurk over at LET - basically when I'm looking for some cheap service I don't expect to last long. I've missed out on a lot of things, I think. Like, does ColoCrossing own LET/LEB now-a-days or what?
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Reminded me of this tweet I just saw recently:
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Does he prefer the roll under, or over?
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Thats a shitty way to do your business
Hey teamacc. You're a dick. (c) Jon Biloh, 2020.
now you know how he came up with the name: ColonCrossing
This explains why they don't support IPv6. There are only a handful of urinals.
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A sneak peak into Fabozzi's office
Just the details of who you paid, like sometimes when you buy from a host e.g. iwstack, you get a payment confirmation from PayPal with the Italian company name not iwstack.
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Excusme,
congratulations for my first post
Real or fake address ?
1846 E Innovation Park Dr.
Oro valley, AZ 85755
@isunbejo when you actually paid you will have got s confirmation from the payment gateway e.g. PayPal or stripe, do you have that info also?
Edit: and welcome, appreciate you talking the time to be here.
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That's a virtual address: https://www.intelligentoffice.com/virtual-office-services/oro-valley
All of the IP addresses I've checked in ARIN (i.e. those assigned to SnowVPS) have different (fake) names and addresses unfortunately. It's a semi-professional scam operation, it's just rinse and repeat really.
You're right and I have worded it no different on https://lowenddeadpool.info/. But frankly, there's people in this world you just can't help. If visitors of LEB/LET keep falling in the same trap over and over again, despite the many threads over at LET, HostBalls and LES; it's just one of those that can't be helped.
However at some stage at some point in the chain, someone is allowing that to happen, that is the spot to apply pressure, even if it does nothing but increase diligence in the future.
What IP range was snowvps using?
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SnowVPS:
107.175.91.0/24 - https://ipinfo.io/AS36352/107.175.91.0/24
SupremeVPS
172.245.68.0/24 - https://ipinfo.io/AS36352/172.245.68.0/24
There's probably more - just don't have time on my hands currently. As for retrieving payment details, since their WHCMS installs are still up - why not just add a domain to your cart and go through the process (without paying of course)? SnowVPS seems to be using FastSpring so maybe it'd help to get them involved too.
umaxhosting (from LET)
this is very funny! logo placeholder
You should look into their open directories for fun... /wp-content/uploads.
https://www.snowvps.com/wp-content/uploads/
https://www.umaxhosting.com/wp-content/uploads/
etc.
I am more interested in the payment gateway confirmation rather than the invoice from a billing system they control, e.g. I just paid my softaculous license, from buycpanel and the paypal confirmation states:
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Profesional scam same as like DCNHost, no address email on Paypal
@isunbejo actually this guy also paid here it seems
Gotcha. But they seem to be going through a gateway instead of directly through PayPal (that gateway being FastSpring). That's why I mentioned it might help to get them (the gateway) involved, i.e. they might be able to issue charge-backs to all affected customers and go after the scam artist(s), holding them accountable for their losses.
Got it with keyword fastspring
So let me get this straight.
If i use fast spring to process my payments, you never get any information as to who you are actually buying from during the transaction?
That does not seem legal.
I believe I may need to update the rules to exclude hosts using fastspring if that is the case.
https://inceptionhosting.com
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as per https://fastspring.com/question-a-charge/
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Yes but you need to know who you are paying ultimately i.e. the benefactor
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That information should be on the invoice. The only legal EU restriction I'm aware of is that the name of the vendor has to show up on your bank statement. But no addresses or anything else has to be included in the payment information.
That said, I think Wishosting is / was using 2checkout and as a result doesn't show any information on the payment either.
I just checked my payment I made to virtualizor via 2checkout.
It has full benefactor including softaculous parent company details on the payment confirmation.
So I am still finding it hard to believe that fastspring don't give any access to that info.
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It's through the PayPal payments that I discovered SkyNetHosting is BookServices and another name, which I don't recall. A payment processor that hides that information, should be banned, IMO.
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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This is what I've seen with other payment processors also, and AFAIK it's precisely why PayPal doesn't allow "full integration" from a payment processor and all the payments need to go directly to the recipient's account.
Which means that either Fastspring got a deal not available to other payment processors, or they're breaking PayPal ToS themselves.
I have been reading up on them, if I had to guess I would say it is because they are taking full tax and payment liability where as 2checkout do not.
handy for small shops wanting to not have to get involved in international tax regulation but sell a few bits online, also handy for people that want to hide.
not good.
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AFAIK PayPal doesn't allow this under those circumstances either. I looked into this a bit while trying to set up my payment processing (through Mollie, a Dutch payment processor), and even though Mollie takes on the ultimate liability for all other payment methods (including CC processing!), they couldn't tightly integrate PayPal because PayPal wouldn't let them. It was a bit of a pain to set up in the end.
some of the invoices are related to FastSpring
the paypal e-mail seems to be [email protected]
Then I have to conclude that people just need to really scrutinize their emails and the payment process they went through, the information must be there.
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https://fastspring.com/risk-management-and-compliance/
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the scammer seems to have been trying to cover his tracks, this guy is a professional, payment were not made directly to the company but to this payment processing proxy, seems to me like fraud across states, which would make it an FBI matter
seems ColonCrossing are the victims here, from all the companies in the world, this scammer decided to pick their company to run the operation, they were contacted by 84 people but they did not notice it was the same guy, its called the colon effect
84 times is called near fatal diarrhoea. Or could lead to a permanent damage to colon.
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umaxhosting seems to be the one that breaks the pattern, they also have a phone listed (657) 234-5234, domain was registered at namecheap not godaddy also it seems the paypal payments were direct to it, not through fastspring
check your email.
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Ah, sure, but that's only a name still. And it doesn't show up at your statement.
Anyway, did a minute of Googling and stumbled upon this: https://fastspring.com/question-a-charge/
@isunbejo mind submitting that form to see what happens?
yes but that is what I was looking for because surely any payment gateway is going to have to reveal certain information about who you are paying, I mean for example Iran?
Perhaps someone in the USA can tell me the implications for a business if they suddenly found out they have been paying a company in Iran for professional business services?
Just an example but i cant imagine it is fully legal for a company to essentially provide a service to avoid trade sanctions.
https://inceptionhosting.com
Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
I just submitted that FastSpring Question form for my payment to Stronghosting.net and they promptly emailed me that FastSpring bill mail and another email to say they received payment -- both seemingly from StrongHosting.
you should try to contact them providing the LET link and the zdnet article, mentioning you consider their system was used to scam people and that they should investigate
and then yes the same as like @pepa65 no solution from FastSpring
https://support.fastspring.com/hc/en-us/articles/207436716-Order-Refund-Policy-Chargebacks-and-Return-Processing
@isunbejo I would like them to the zdnet article, say you have been victim of a scam to take money for service with no intention of providing it which is fraud.
and to be honest, I would have filed a charge back by now anyway, even if it was £1
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Good idea Sir.
Give lessons to scammers to give up
So all those hosts already closed & their service shut down?
https://webhorizon.net
@Abdullah - apparently the "hosts" (actually or supposedly a single CC customer ... aka "former client" - lol!) are now done, but the services will remain online for another week or so as CC sees fit to extend some stay of execution. Make of that what you will ...
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
okay. just needed to verify as my sites are still online. Checked all this today..will move them. Thanks
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) - and of course also cached by browser and possibly cloudflare (?) etc ... but if you don't see the tweety bird sippin' lean any more, then that party is surely over.HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
I mainly lurk over at LET - basically when I'm looking for some cheap service I don't expect to last long. I've missed out on a lot of things, I think. Like, does ColoCrossing own LET/LEB now-a-days or what?