@ElonBezos said: i thought [that] you all get grammar lessons since kindergarten, mastering it when you grow up, then can easily become an [E]nglish teacher such in [A]sian/[A]frican/[L]atino country countries.
TEFL (Teaching English as a Foreign Language) doesn't need a high education attainment level. Few 'master' English (self included) and it's a continual learning process.
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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Why did I just hyphenate rules-based? Why am I capitalising the letter i? How do I choose from there, their, they're or they are?
If you don't know the rules, reading a book won't improve grammar, it will simply increase the incorrect application of the rules when you write. If you come across a word in a book that is unfamiliar there is no benefit in having read it in a book to not then take the time to understand what it means. This is why I prefer to read books on Kindle these days, it makes it easy to get a definition.
@legendary said: English language has an advantage: you can make misstakes, the others will still understand the concept of what you are saying.
Laziness the world over is the core issue. You are correct in that proper application of the rules does not mean you won't be understood, this thread certainly proves that and forum threads in general. That is fine, although it is not the point. If someone wants to improve their grammar there are tools to assist, so let them, you don't have to use them.
Again, nothing wrong with using Grammarly, it teaches and gives you guidance whilst you write and you continue learning, which is a lifelong process.
What surprises me (not really) is that the critics of this type of tool are often the ones that need it most instead of telling others why they shouldn't use it.
@Lee said: Laziness the World over is the core issue.
Never a truer phrase.
World capitalised? (Usually gets me that one )
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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@legendary said: Use of Grammarly is not good for learning people. No discussions here. Read books in English, that's all you need. Free.
Reading a book shows you, it does not teach you why. But carry on.
I think it can be said that reading books can help a lot.
Even with one's native language improvement.
Though active learning does help tremendously, no doubt about that.
My friend came over from Pakistan, for approx 3 years - he was one of the best English speakers in his school and didn't even scratch the surface of understanding the language, he said he learnt more in his first few weeks when I'd make him watch football and talk to girls than all his formal education.
We spoke about 2/3 weeks ago, he said he still has nightmares about the time he asked me how to greet multiple women at once, our mutual friend interjected with oh just ask "What's happening hoes" I still remember him walking off, then being stood there getting shouted at and looking bewildered 😄
Apparently, though he found watching a tv show twice - once in English and then in Urdu and English subtitles to get the bits he missed reinforced his English skills if that's any benefit to anyone here struggling with certain aspects of it
@legendary said: Use of Grammarly is not good for learning people. No discussions here. Read books in English, that's all you need. Free.
Reading a book shows you, it does not teach you why. But carry on.
I think it can be said that reading books can help a lot.
Even with one's native language improvement.
Though active learning does help tremendously, no doubt about that.
We spoke about 2/3 weeks ago, he said he still has nightmares about the time he asked me how to greet multiple women at once, our mutual friend interjected with oh just ask "What's happening hoes"
Ahahahah
Where I live, there's a significant Hungarian minority.
And I've always considered it a point of respect to learn the language.
It's one of the most difficult languages to learn, and Hungarians seem to highly appreciate it if you speak it, even if it's very poorly.
Now, the words for "cheers," and "over your arse," sound very similarly.
One of my favourite pranks, especially for any official happenings, is to mispronounce it.
(I know, I'll never grow up)
@legendary said: Use of Grammarly is not good for learning people. No discussions here. Read books in English, that's all you need. Free.
Reading a book shows you, it does not teach you why. But carry on.
I think it can be said that reading books can help a lot.
Even with one's native language improvement.
Though active learning does help tremendously, no doubt about that.
We spoke about 2/3 weeks ago, he said he still has nightmares about the time he asked me how to greet multiple women at once, our mutual friend interjected with oh just ask "What's happening hoes"
Ahahahah
Where I live, there's a significant Hungarian minority.
And I've always considered it a point of respect to learn the language.
It's one of the most difficult languages to learn, and Hungarians seem to highly appreciate it if you speak it, even if it's very poorly.
Now, the words for "cheers," and "over your arse," sound very similarly.
One of my favourite pranks, especially for any official happenings, is to mispronounce it.
(I know, I'll never grow up)
Haha, Yes if I interact with someone regularly in person that isn't a native English speaker I try to at least know a greeting in their language! Same with travelling, I like to know I can at least hold a somewhat basic conversation with the people there!
@chris said: I try to at least know a greeting in their language
Hi!
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural. It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).
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TEFL (Teaching English as a Foreign Language) doesn't need a high education attainment level.
Few 'master' English (self included) and it's a continual learning process.
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).
Like most things, all languages are rules-based.
Why did I just hyphenate rules-based? Why am I capitalising the letter i? How do I choose from there, their, they're or they are?
If you don't know the rules, reading a book won't improve grammar, it will simply increase the incorrect application of the rules when you write. If you come across a word in a book that is unfamiliar there is no benefit in having read it in a book to not then take the time to understand what it means. This is why I prefer to read books on Kindle these days, it makes it easy to get a definition.
Laziness the world over is the core issue. You are correct in that proper application of the rules does not mean you won't be understood, this thread certainly proves that and forum threads in general. That is fine, although it is not the point. If someone wants to improve their grammar there are tools to assist, so let them, you don't have to use them.
Again, nothing wrong with using Grammarly, it teaches and gives you guidance whilst you write and you continue learning, which is a lifelong process.
What surprises me (not really) is that the critics of this type of tool are often the ones that need it most instead of telling others why they shouldn't use it.
Never a truer phrase.
)
World capitalised? (Usually gets me that one
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).
My friend came over from Pakistan, for approx 3 years - he was one of the best English speakers in his school and didn't even scratch the surface of understanding the language, he said he learnt more in his first few weeks when I'd make him watch football and talk to girls than all his formal education.
We spoke about 2/3 weeks ago, he said he still has nightmares about the time he asked me how to greet multiple women at once, our mutual friend interjected with oh just ask "What's happening hoes" I still remember him walking off, then being stood there getting shouted at and looking bewildered 😄
Apparently, though he found watching a tv show twice - once in English and then in Urdu and English subtitles to get the bits he missed reinforced his English skills if that's any benefit to anyone here struggling with certain aspects of it
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Ahahahah
Where I live, there's a significant Hungarian minority.
And I've always considered it a point of respect to learn the language.
It's one of the most difficult languages to learn, and Hungarians seem to highly appreciate it if you speak it, even if it's very poorly.
Now, the words for "cheers," and "over your arse," sound very similarly.
One of my favourite pranks, especially for any official happenings, is to mispronounce it.
(I know, I'll never grow up)
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Haha, Yes if I interact with someone regularly in person that isn't a native English speaker I try to at least know a greeting in their language! Same with travelling, I like to know I can at least hold a somewhat basic conversation with the people there!
Hi!
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).