Which free webpanel do you use?

cybertech

what i need:
lightweight, fast, responsive panel
Support either Alma/Rocky 8 or Debian 11
Nginx
up to date Php 8.1 with Phpredis
up to date Mariadb 10.7
one-click migration (nice to have)

hence aapanel fit the bill.

any others?

edit:
with the community's suggestion, was able to get hestiacp up and running well with the above (sans one-click migration)

with the really minimalist setup, it might just be faster than aapanel!

privateMode

My friend just switched from DirectAdmin to Fastpanel.

Debian 8, 9, 10, 11 (64-bit)
Ubuntu 18.04, 20.04 (64-bit)
CentOS 7 (64-bit)
AlmaLinux 8 (64-bit)
Rocky 8 (64-bit)

Check their wiki for further details.

Erisa

I don't use any. Someone I know has a lot of success with HestiaCP, I tried it myself but panels aren't really my thing so it's hard to judge whether it's good or not.

bruh21

aaPanel all the way baby
I use it with centos 7 since it’s what it’s based off of but it works fine on centos 8 too. Have you tried it before or is it just on your list of ones to try?

cybertech

@bruh21 said:
aaPanel all the way baby
I use it with centos 7 since it’s what it’s based off of but it works fine on centos 8 too. Have you tried it before or is it just on your list of ones to try?

im using aapanel since Centos7, then 8 and now debian 11.

always open to explore !

vyas

free as in Beer or Free as in Freedom?
(someone had to bring it up! )

cybertech

@vyas said:
free as in Beer or Free as in Freedom?
(someone had to bring it up! )

🍻 beer

Abdullah

those requirements, aapanel is the only one comes to mind.

also give hestiacp a try

vyas

@Abdullah said:
those requirements, aapanel is the only one comes to mind.

also give hestiacp a try

I missed the last part- Support either Alma/Rocky 8 or Debian 11

@cybertech,
Cloudron
cipi
VPSNoobs ( @AK_KWH )
Ajenti
Webmin
ISPConfig

longer list on my blog

Edit: Updated images. My last sync messed up the path

yokowasis

Hestia FTW. They have complete , easy to understand API, perfect for automating things.

cybertech

@yokowasis said:
Hestia FTW. They have complete , easy to understand API, perfect for automating things.

have heard multiple mentions about it, does it have nginx+php8.1+php-redis?

vyas

@cybertech said:

@yokowasis said:
Hestia FTW. They have complete , easy to understand API, perfect for automating things.

have heard multiple mentions about it, does it have nginx+php8.1+php-redis?

Scroll to features and services

https://github.com/hestiacp/hestiacp

Installer script is nifty

https://gabizz.github.io/hestiacp-scriptline-generator/

Any bench for the server you will install this on?

cybertech

@vyas said:

@cybertech said:

@yokowasis said:
Hestia FTW. They have complete , easy to understand API, perfect for automating things.

have heard multiple mentions about it, does it have nginx+php8.1+php-redis?

Scroll to features and services

https://github.com/hestiacp/hestiacp

Installer script is nifty

https://gabizz.github.io/hestiacp-scriptline-generator/

Any bench for the server you will install this on?

noice.

am testing fastpanel now, hestiacp next.

benches already been made, will be on one of them greencloudvps

sweatbar

Hestiacp

vyas

@cybertech said:

nginx+php8.1+php-redis?

Webinoly
Wordops

Cli. Latter has admin gui iirc

Since your Saturday is already occupied, thought Sunday should not feel left out

risharde

I still use virtualmin, I absolutely hate the UI but it's very open to lots of technologies and since it's just for me, I haven't pushed for anything else. From a consumer perspective, I have subscribed in to this thread to see what might be out there

Just realized it mine doesn't have php8, sorry if the post seemed spammy.

Ryujin

It does not fit your requirements as it only supports centos 7 for now but centminmod is a great nginx stack, the dev tuned it to utilize the best of nginx & made it to one of the best out of the box stack. It is a cli based panel though so its attack surface is just your public facing application if you turn off its ftp feature.

AlwaysSkint

Take a look at TinyCP; not sure it'll meet all your criteria though. I'd think 1-click migration is a non-starter, for example.

Matt247

I switched to https://hestiacp.com great free webpanel. It doesn't have redis out of the box but you can manually install it.

Ganonk

webmin always

how

aapanel

legendary

Ispconfig3. You can strip it down to mere barebones via config upon installation. It has clustering as bonus.

Hestiacp is also nice panel. There is a ton of options for personal use. Depends on os and UI preference.

cybertech

have been trying out hestiacp, and its really nice, but ran into an issue i wonder if anyone here has had experience with.

my staging was able to work, loads fine but when i try to update it this happens:

- mariadb 10.6
- redis
- Php8.1 + php-redis
- session handler = redis
- session.save_path = "tcp://127.0.0.1:6379"


fault when updating my site causing PHP error:
session_start(): Failed to read session data: redis (path: /home/admin/tmp)

just hoping to get pointed in the right direction for me to investigate if its not too complicated :P

Falzo

@cybertech said:
have been trying out hestiacp, and its really nice, but ran into an issue i wonder if anyone here has had experience with.

my staging was able to work, loads fine but when i try to update it this happens:

> - mariadb 10.6
> - redis
> - Php8.1 + php-redis
> - session handler = redis
> - session.save_path = "tcp://127.0.0.1:6379"
> 
> 
> fault when updating my site causing PHP error:
> session_start(): Failed to read session data: redis (path: /home/admin/tmp)
> 

just hoping to get pointed in the right direction for me to investigate if its not too complicated :P

most likely a permission issue. afaik that specific tmp folder is not world readable, so redis might really and simply not be able to access it, if it does not run under the right owner. but I am a bit out of loop for the development so I can't say since when or why it is this way. maybe search or write something in the forum over there, right now I sadly have not much time to dive deeper into it...

on a seperate note, it's not advisable to host anything under that admin account itself anymore, but instead create a seperate one with no sudo rights. could well be, that there are also implications here to restrict the admin account in a way to make the whole thing more secure ;-)

cybertech

@Falzo said:

@cybertech said:
have been trying out hestiacp, and its really nice, but ran into an issue i wonder if anyone here has had experience with.

my staging was able to work, loads fine but when i try to update it this happens:

> > - mariadb 10.6
> > - redis
> > - Php8.1 + php-redis
> > - session handler = redis
> > - session.save_path = "tcp://127.0.0.1:6379"
> > 
> > 
> > fault when updating my site causing PHP error:
> > session_start(): Failed to read session data: redis (path: /home/admin/tmp)
> > 

just hoping to get pointed in the right direction for me to investigate if its not too complicated :P

most likely a permission issue. afaik that specific tmp folder is not world readable, so redis might really and simply not be able to access it, if it does not run under the right owner. but I am a bit out of loop for the development so I can't say since when or why it is this way. maybe search or write something in the forum over there, right now I sadly have not much time to dive deeper into it...

on a seperate note, it's not advisable to host anything under that admin account itself anymore, but instead create a seperate one with no sudo rights. could well be, that there are also implications here to restrict the admin account in a way to make the whole thing more secure ;-)

thanks for the tip, yeah I've been searching around for permission issues, probably just havent nailed it yet.

and yes im trying out using admin account, probably good to follow the proper procedures to this as well.

air

aapanel

vikram

@cybertech checkout cloudpanel v2

kaokao2222

@Falzo are you HestiaCP's forum moderator, right bro

Aractus

@risharde said: I still use virtualmin, I absolutely hate the UI but it's very open to lots of technologies and since it's just for me, I haven't pushed for anything else. From a consumer perspective, I have subscribed in to this thread to see what might be out there

Just realized it mine doesn't have php8, sorry if the post seemed spammy.

That's because they don't build PHP for you, you're relying on the system's repository which by default is the one provided by the OS - as an example RHEL 9 provides 8.0 currently. If you want 8.1 you need to add a 3rd-party repo or build it yourself. For RHEL/CentOS/Rocky/Alma/Fedora you can use Remi's one, and for Ubuntu/Debian you can use Ondřej Surý's ones - ppa:ondrej/php for Ubuntu, packages.sury.org/php for Debian.

Amadex

Free: Keyhelp
Paid: Plesk

cybertech

@vikram said:
@cybertech checkout cloudpanel v2

does it have php8.0-redis, opcache etc?

Falzo

@kaokao2222 said:
@Falzo are you HestiaCP's forum moderator, right bro

yep, that'd be me ;-)

Aractus

@Amadex said: Free: Keyhelp

Could you explain why you're recommending Keyhelp please?

@cybertech said: lightweight, fast, responsive panel
Support either Alma/Rocky 8 or Debian 11
Nginx
up to date Php 8.1 with Phpredis
up to date Mariadb 10.7
one-click migration (nice to have)

Just looking into the current state of Virtualmin compatibility for you - Alma/Rocky look like they're getting fully supported soon (you could use a free RHEL license though instead). Nginx yes. PHP 8.1 & Mariadb 10.7 - not provided by their repos, they both come from the OS's repo unless you add a third-party one or you build yourself (there's the third party repos available for PHP at least which I mentioned above).

One issue that you're going to have with the panels that have a really small userbase is they can become abandonware quickly. Think VestaCP and before that zPanel. They all look great at one point, before development takes a dive off a cliff.

vikram

@cybertech said:

@vikram said:
@cybertech checkout cloudpanel v2

does it have php8.0-redis, opcache etc?

https://www.cloudpanel.io/docs/v1/guides/php/opcache-preload

Aractus

@kaokao2222 said: @Falzo are you HestiaCP's forum moderator, right bro

Yeah he is, and this post on their forum is interesting:

Please do not post “reviews” or “comparisons” of other control panels or underlying stacks.
Also postings for whatever SEO reasons are not welcome.

We are not interested in being a competitor to anyone.
If you like HestiaCP and what we do - awesome! Still no reason to smear or discredit other peoples work.

Hestia is a fork of Vesta Control Panel like myVesta, and from the demo anyway (and just a quick read of the forum) it's extremely basic and bare-bones. The interface doesn't even run from its own webserver, it runs PHP from an NGINX server. That choice alone puts VestaCP and its forks, aaPanel and the other low-use panels into a lower class compared to the big boy panels. Plus it seems like Hestia is more of a hobby project from some former VestaCP users who want to persist with using it for their servers so forked it and make it public for other former VestaCP users?

Falzo

@Aractus said:

@kaokao2222 said: @Falzo are you HestiaCP's forum moderator, right bro

Yeah he is, and this post on their forum is interesting:

Please do not post “reviews” or “comparisons” of other control panels or underlying stacks.
Also postings for whatever SEO reasons are not welcome.

We are not interested in being a competitor to anyone.
If you like HestiaCP and what we do - awesome! Still no reason to smear or discredit other peoples work.

the post you are referring to is from the few forum rules we have. so, just to put it into the right context, it means we do not want fight over panels in our forum there.

obviously this came into place after there were quite some posts from litespeed shilling crew and similar. the board is very small and only intended to offer a place for some community support, nothing more, nothing less. therefore no drama, seo or advertisement needed.

Hestia is a fork of Vesta Control Panel like myVesta, and from the demo anyway (and just a quick read of the forum) it's extremely basic and bare-bones. The interface doesn't even run from its own webserver, it runs PHP from an NGINX server.

yes and no. it runs on it's very own instance of nginx with it's own instance of php. that way it's safely seperated from the user websites and the web GUI can even be shutdown when not in use. if that's considered extremely basic, so be it ;-)

That choice alone puts VestaCP and its forks, aaPanel and the other low-use panels into a lower class compared to the big boy panels.

if you think so, that's totally fine and probably right. Hestia does not aim to be a competitor for any other panel. Every user should pick what's needed by their use case and not what someone promises to be ;-)

Plus it seems like Hestia is more of a hobby project from some former VestaCP users who want to persist with using it for their servers so forked it and make it public for other former VestaCP users?

yeah, I think that sums it up. we are glad to have a very engaged main dev spending what seems to be his entire spare time on it to keep it very maintained and evolve from old Vesta inheritance to a better code base, but obviously it's a lot and more likely a lifetime thing.

Vesta has been open source, so there is no reason to keep a fork not the same. that this lead to former VestaCP users switching ot it, is pretty normal I guess... however, we do not actively aim to grow our user base or whatever. indeed the people involved with Hestia do this, because they use it themselves and want to continue to do so (for various reasons). this obviously also means, the direction of its development will be driven by their needs first and not what any other user may wish for.

it often seems people fail at understanding, that Hestia and its team is not a company racing for any trophy in number of users/customers or whatever. it is not a product. it is a tool, free to use if you like it or to simply ignore if considered not the right one...

sorry for the wall of text, just hope this sheds some more light on the initial quote from our forum rules, it otherwise felt a bit misunderstandable ;-)

kaokao2222

@Falzo said:

@kaokao2222 said:
@Falzo are you HestiaCP's forum moderator, right bro

yep, that'd be me ;-)

Thank you for helping me on resolving many issues on there 😄

Appreciate your effort, bro. I hope you have a nice day 😍

how

I like aaPanel.
https://www.aapanel.com/

mucstudio

free：aapanel

fan

I'm sitting on the fence on whether to drop aapanel (over privacy concerns) in favor of either full manual config or something like hestiacp, but one thing that's really nice about aapanel is its easy interface to add/remove components on-the-fly. HestiaCP can be customized after installation but requires figuring out which packages to install via command line.

cybertech

@fan said:
I'm sitting on the fence on whether to drop aapanel (over privacy concerns) in favor of either full manual config or something like hestiacp, but one thing that's really nice about aapanel is its easy interface to add/remove components on-the-fly. HestiaCP can be customized after installation but requires figuring out which packages to install via command line.

me too. especially when aapanel is adding paid apps ad inside the panel, and their on-the-fly functions dont work as well as before. might as well learn the proper way to do it via hestiacp.

vyas

Good beginner level tutorial on Vestacp, Hestiacp should not be too different.

Edit: Start of video has some false starts. I believe this was one of the creator's (Tony Teaches Teach) earliest videos.

webcraft

Nobody using Keyhelp anymore? I remember a while ago at otf this was one of the most recent named ones. Also Froxlor is a great option.

Ympker

@webcraft said:
Nobody using Keyhelp anymore? I remember a while ago at otf this was one of the most recent named ones. Also Froxlor is a great option.

Keyhelp is great. It's just shared hosting has become so cheap that you can easily get DA/cPanel/Plesk, which is usually preferred.

webcraft

@Ympker said:
Keyhelp is great. It's just shared hosting has become so cheap that you can easily get DA/cPanel/Plesk, which is usually preferred.

Ohh well, just read again the title and it says web panel and not webhosting panel. For webhosting I'd go with cPanel or DA (with Pro Pack only), too.

Falzo

@webcraft said:
Nobody using Keyhelp anymore? I remember a while ago at otf this was one of the most recent named ones. Also Froxlor is a great option.

Keyhelp is a great option if you want more advanced settings in the panel itself. it does not come with some reverse proxy mechanism but allows a really good handling of lots of users and their individual permissions. unless you're part of the anti apache blabla club, keyhelp is a really good choice.

PS: I think it wasn't mentioned here, because OP put nginx as a requirement, so there's that ;-)