yeah, that's the thing, its' sold as KVM - however ploop and venet are kinda relicts back when virtuozzo was based on OVZ. not sure how this actually acts today.
I'll dig a bit deeper into it later, just haven't found the time yet to check more closely if f.i. windows install is possible. at least on their page it mentions KVM, 'own OS choice' and such...
seems they have some old german habits though, had to call in to verify on the order, also heard they require a pdf form to be filled for cancelation, PTR only through support request and such.
will find out sooner or later anyway and report back ;-)
yeah, that's the thing, its' sold as KVM - however ploop and venet are kinda relicts back when virtuozzo was based on OVZ. not sure how this actually acts today.
I'll dig a bit deeper into it later, just haven't found the time yet to check more closely if f.i. windows install is possible. at least on their page it mentions KVM, 'own OS choice' and such...
seems they have some old german habits though, had to call in to verify on the order, also heard they require a pdf form to be filled for cancelation, PTR only through support request and such.
will find out sooner or later anyway and report back ;-)
i guess the most obvious sign would be checking kernel and possibility of upgrading it..virtuozzo claims to have 200+ upgrades over standard KVM
yeah, that's the thing, its' sold as KVM - however ploop and venet are kinda relicts back when virtuozzo was based on OVZ. not sure how this actually acts today.
I'll dig a bit deeper into it later, just haven't found the time yet to check more closely if f.i. windows install is possible. at least on their page it mentions KVM, 'own OS choice' and such...
seems they have some old german habits though, had to call in to verify on the order, also heard they require a pdf form to be filled for cancelation, PTR only through support request and such.
will find out sooner or later anyway and report back ;-)
i guess the most obvious sign would be checking kernel and possibility of upgrading it..virtuozzo claims to have 200+ upgrades over standard KVM
yeah indeed /boot is empty, dpkg doesn't list any kernel related packages, uname -a gives:
Linux 4.15.0 #1 SMP Fri Nov 20 21:47:55 MSK 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
as said, I'll have to check later, what options there are in the panel and what happens when I want/request to install from my own ISO etc. ;-)
yeah, that's the thing, its' sold as KVM - however ploop and venet are kinda relicts back when virtuozzo was based on OVZ. not sure how this actually acts today.
I'll dig a bit deeper into it later, just haven't found the time yet to check more closely if f.i. windows install is possible. at least on their page it mentions KVM, 'own OS choice' and such...
seems they have some old german habits though, had to call in to verify on the order, also heard they require a pdf form to be filled for cancelation, PTR only through support request and such.
will find out sooner or later anyway and report back ;-)
so, the control panel allows for a choice of 'Virtuozzo instance' vs 'empty KVM instance' - which indeed I'd interpret as Virtuozzo rather being just OVZ...
for the empty KVM instance you have to pick, what you want to install, but provide your own ISO anyways. maybe that's just for the optics ... or maybe they place you on a certain node, depending on what you pick, no clue.
the rest of the install is a bit more complicated, as one needs to upload an ISO of your choice via FTP but name it specifically so it gets picked up during reboot. the rest is handled via VNC but lacks a noVNC console. also there is a DHCP server running but gives you only an internal IP which does not have public internet, so also a bit of manual steps involved.
once I am finished, I'll obviously run another yabs to see what this will then provide. expect it to be quite different, because most likely a completely different node and probably different settings/limits and/or hardware... let's see.
sorry for double post and all the text above within this topic anyway.
probably better for readability though - new bench, this time definitely KVM installed from ISO:
didn't expect that. very snappy and for now numbers seem even better than what the virtuozzo/ovz instance offered. if it stays that way that's a keeper even for 5€ a month... location is Frankfurt, afaik they are running their own DC there.
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an interesting specimen from datapacket.net. All of their VPS have “16 cores”, even the 1gb one. I guess you really have to hope your neighbors are good people
after @lentro mentioned the impact of zfs caching on benchmark numbers, here is an experiment to show this again...
VM is build on a Hetzner dedi with only HDDs, so keep in mind that technically IOps are limited to somewhat around ~180 per second depending on the average access time of that model (aka 1sec/5.5ms). I put three disks in raid-z1 and have ARC limited to 4GB on the host-node, disk image is directly deployed into the zfs pool...
it always bugged me, that the 512k and 1m IOps seemed to low, and watching the load and IO wait on the node it seemed much like the filled ARC cached that needed to be written to the disk at that point kinda blocked the whole process. like what is gained in 4k/64k now is in the way...
so, how about adding a sleep 5 into the fio loop as a 'cooldown period' for ARC?
BAM! finally everything seems to be hitting the ARC cache properly. because yabs prepopulates the test-file before the actual fio runs and I added the delay/cooldown in between, even the 4k now made a bigger jump...
now, what to take away from this?
1) yabs is awesome. the way it is built allows for easily digging into specific things by modifying some test parameters and more important it is very clear from the beginning, what it is actually doing and how so one can put the result into proper context.
thx @Mason ;-)
2) single/quick glance at artificial benchmark numbers can be misleading, if you don't know what's 'under the hood' - the zfs / ARC example is comparable to a hardware raid controller with some memory-cache and there are lots of things one can adjust around that (cachesizes, writeback, writethrough) that will have an influence... however for the tests nothing of that has been changed, but just the timeline for the workload inside the benchmark!
3) it's debatable how to put the numbers into relation to real world workloads. I'd expect for common not too big hosting workloads most stuff to be sitting in FS cache or ARC most of the time and the time zfs will need to actually write to disk nicely be averaged out in most of the cases.
so will ZFS/ARC be beneficial despite the first benchmark run seem rather slow on 512k/1m ? yeah I would say so, 4GB should still be plenty and allow for a lot of frequently accessed data to be kept hot and available.
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that's a good one mate...should not have hesitated
Yes, it is worth the wait.. only $13.3 / yr for 500 GB.
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Micronode X1S Dedicated Server - These should be provisioned sometime next week and will be priced at £5 per month with 8GB EMMC OS disk and 64GB Data disk:
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Can someone post a lsblk on hosthatch and servarica? Looking for storage servers but I want to see fio results on "storage disk", not "system ssd disk".
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yeah, that's the thing, its' sold as KVM - however ploop and venet are kinda relicts back when virtuozzo was based on OVZ. not sure how this actually acts today.
I'll dig a bit deeper into it later, just haven't found the time yet to check more closely if f.i. windows install is possible. at least on their page it mentions KVM, 'own OS choice' and such...
seems they have some old german habits though, had to call in to verify on the order, also heard they require a pdf form to be filled for cancelation, PTR only through support request and such.
will find out sooner or later anyway and report back ;-)
i guess the most obvious sign would be checking kernel and possibility of upgrading it..virtuozzo claims to have 200+ upgrades over standard KVM
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
yeah indeed /boot is empty, dpkg doesn't list any kernel related packages, uname -a gives:
as said, I'll have to check later, what options there are in the panel and what happens when I want/request to install from my own ISO etc. ;-)
edit: Ubuntu 18.04 LTs came as default
Looks like something @ympker would relish doing !
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LOL! but it's miiiiinnnnneeee
so, the control panel allows for a choice of 'Virtuozzo instance' vs 'empty KVM instance' - which indeed I'd interpret as Virtuozzo rather being just OVZ...
for the empty KVM instance you have to pick, what you want to install, but provide your own ISO anyways. maybe that's just for the optics ... or maybe they place you on a certain node, depending on what you pick, no clue.
the rest of the install is a bit more complicated, as one needs to upload an ISO of your choice via FTP but name it specifically so it gets picked up during reboot. the rest is handled via VNC but lacks a noVNC console. also there is a DHCP server running but gives you only an internal IP which does not have public internet, so also a bit of manual steps involved.
once I am finished, I'll obviously run another yabs to see what this will then provide. expect it to be quite different, because most likely a completely different node and probably different settings/limits and/or hardware... let's see.
sorry for double post and all the text above within this topic anyway.
probably better for readability though - new bench, this time definitely KVM installed from ISO:
didn't expect that. very snappy and for now numbers seem even better than what the virtuozzo/ovz instance offered. if it stays that way that's a keeper even for 5€ a month... location is Frankfurt, afaik they are running their own DC there.
Terrahost (former Hostsolutions Norway migrated to TH hardware) @ Debian 11
Geekbench 5: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/12034207 -> TL;DR single:412, multi:393
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Terrahost - €1/yr.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?Superb deal..
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Yes
Have you tried turning it off and on again?@Mr_Tom how about a €1/year deal from the beautiful VM specialists?
Team push-ups!
err... no
epik deal
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
TBH, Epik would never offer such a deal
It was only @cociu, and his love for @Nekki that made this possible. As long as it lasts.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?Hosthatch storage after migrated to EPYC
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an interesting specimen from datapacket.net. All of their VPS have “16 cores”, even the 1gb one. I guess you really have to hope your neighbors are good people
IP is from AS209, CenturyLink
Hosthatch storage BF flash sale (Stockholm) @ Ubuntu 20.04
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Adding swap will probably make GB5 run fine.
after @lentro mentioned the impact of zfs caching on benchmark numbers, here is an experiment to show this again...
VM is build on a Hetzner dedi with only HDDs, so keep in mind that technically IOps are limited to somewhat around ~180 per second depending on the average access time of that model (aka 1sec/5.5ms). I put three disks in raid-z1 and have ARC limited to 4GB on the host-node, disk image is directly deployed into the zfs pool...
standard unmodified yabs:
it always bugged me, that the 512k and 1m IOps seemed to low, and watching the load and IO wait on the node it seemed much like the filled ARC cached that needed to be written to the disk at that point kinda blocked the whole process. like what is gained in 4k/64k now is in the way...
so, how about adding a sleep 5 into the fio loop as a 'cooldown period' for ARC?
fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50): --------------------------------- Block Size | 4k (IOPS) | 64k (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 6.26 MB/s (1.5k) | 39.61 MB/s (618) Write | 6.26 MB/s (1.5k) | 39.84 MB/s (622) Total | 12.53 MB/s (3.1k) | 79.45 MB/s (1.2k) | | Block Size | 512k (IOPS) | 1m (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 125.95 MB/s (246) | 84.62 MB/s (82) Write | 132.64 MB/s (259) | 90.26 MB/s (88) Total | 258.60 MB/s (505) | 174.88 MB/s (170)oh, see the difference in 512k and 64k even... what about 20sec delay then?
fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50): --------------------------------- Block Size | 4k (IOPS) | 64k (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 140.16 MB/s (35.0k) | 867.90 MB/s (13.5k) Write | 140.53 MB/s (35.1k) | 872.47 MB/s (13.6k) Total | 280.70 MB/s (70.1k) | 1.74 GB/s (27.1k) | | Block Size | 512k (IOPS) | 1m (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 990.24 MB/s (1.9k) | 972.01 MB/s (949) Write | 1.04 GB/s (2.0k) | 1.03 GB/s (1.0k) Total | 2.03 GB/s (3.9k) | 2.00 GB/s (1.9k)BAM! finally everything seems to be hitting the ARC cache properly. because yabs prepopulates the test-file before the actual fio runs and I added the delay/cooldown in between, even the 4k now made a bigger jump...
now, what to take away from this?
1) yabs is awesome. the way it is built allows for easily digging into specific things by modifying some test parameters and more important it is very clear from the beginning, what it is actually doing and how so one can put the result into proper context.
thx @Mason ;-)
2) single/quick glance at artificial benchmark numbers can be misleading, if you don't know what's 'under the hood' - the zfs / ARC example is comparable to a hardware raid controller with some memory-cache and there are lots of things one can adjust around that (cachesizes, writeback, writethrough) that will have an influence... however for the tests nothing of that has been changed, but just the timeline for the workload inside the benchmark!
3) it's debatable how to put the numbers into relation to real world workloads. I'd expect for common not too big hosting workloads most stuff to be sitting in FS cache or ARC most of the time and the time zfs will need to actually write to disk nicely be averaged out in most of the cases.
so will ZFS/ARC be beneficial despite the first benchmark run seem rather slow on 512k/1m ? yeah I would say so, 4GB should still be plenty and allow for a lot of frequently accessed data to be kept hot and available.
Thanks! ^^
Since I can't edit https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/79267/#Comment_79267 anymore:
Hosthatch storage BF flash sale (Stockholm) @ Ubuntu 20.04
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/12072017 TL;DR single: 545, multi: 558
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just post a new one anytime you like mate
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
HostHatch 500 GB Stockholm BF Flash Sales
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that's a good one mate...should not have hesitated
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Yes, it is worth the wait.. only $13.3 / yr for 500 GB.
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15€/y 512MB NVMe Ryzen W24
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Is this the 10x10x10? What location is this?
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NY just got migrated
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I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Micronode X1S Dedicated Server - These should be provisioned sometime next week and will be priced at £5 per month with 8GB EMMC OS disk and 64GB Data disk:
wget -qO- yabs.sh | bash -s -- -i Tuesday 11 January 2022 06:54:38 AM IST Basic System Information: --------------------------------- Processor : AMD Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics CPU cores : 12 @ 2300.000 MHz AES-NI : ✔ Enabled VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled RAM : 6.7 GiB Swap : 0.0 KiB Disk : 138.0 GiB fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50): --------------------------------- Block Size | 4k (IOPS) | 64k (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 475.78 MB/s (118.9k) | 619.38 MB/s (9.6k) Write | 477.03 MB/s (119.2k) | 622.64 MB/s (9.7k) Total | 952.81 MB/s (238.2k) | 1.24 GB/s (19.4k) | | Block Size | 512k (IOPS) | 1m (IOPS) ------ | --- ---- | ---- ---- Read | 780.32 MB/s (1.5k) | 911.75 MB/s (890) Write | 821.78 MB/s (1.6k) | 972.47 MB/s (949) Total | 1.60 GB/s (3.1k) | 1.88 GB/s (1.8k) Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test: --------------------------------- Test | Value | Single Core | 1161 Multi Core | 4065 Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/12098952Hm. I expected some more fireworks given the fine specs, but maybe more RAM and disk might change the results.
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Nice new laptop you have @vyas
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Can someone post a lsblk on hosthatch and servarica? Looking for storage servers but I want to see fio results on "storage disk", not "system ssd disk".
(stockholm)
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The CPU single core is actually lower than a
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wtfffffffff any details on the hardware
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surely the new hetzner AX100... I'd be interested in additional hardware info as well... like mobo, memory sticks, nvme types etc.
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I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.